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lostdownunder wrote:
I'd like to thank MacGyver.

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he did make something from nothing, which is both useful and impressive.

He also stood up against filthy people who would oppress us.

I owe a lot to MacGyver, not the mullet though.

A true freedom board, with extra truthiness™

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lostdownunder wrote:

He also stood up against filthy people who would oppress us.

 

I owe a lot to MacGyver, not the mullet though.

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he was laid-back and resourceful; refused to carry or use a gun; preferring to think with his brain and use non-violent conflict resolutions.

are you arguing that your kluge favors brains over brute force?

lulz

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Someone wrote: the admin learned nothing and the users learned nothing

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Your input is welcome but I have to say that these conclusions seem very ill informed. But I don't blame you for not having the information, just caution against making such conclusions without recognizing lack of adequate data. I can completely appreciate a member "calling 'em as they see 'em" so to speak, but it shouldn't be assumed that all you see is all there is.

Admin. and the users are moving forward together with new understanding and mutual appreciation.

I assure you that is the proven truth and that it would not be happening if nothing was learned.

Evidence shows morale and hopes should be high.

But if the "problem" you're referring to is rule adherance or lack thereof (in protest or otherwise)

a) those really are isolated issues regarding specific members not an accurate reflection of this community

b) the results that an admin. wants any rules to accomplish is not ever really in flux but generally speaking the rules themselves, what defines an infraction of them and the methods of enforcing them have to be to achieve said results. There's legitimate and pragmatic reasons for that to be especially true(thy) in this forum's case, now more than ever.

c) ftr I'd agree that rule violation on forums is not really an effective protest strategy

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Allen wrote:

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Mr Jaz wrote:

I didn't realize there was a point to defeat... What was the point?

 

*goes back to have fun on the boards*

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Being disciplined enough that you don't actually need someone to tell you how to act?

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Goatrider has been de-modded and your pro-censorship position on this won't soon be forgotten. Every time here you should thank the people that took the risk for for wall-flowers like you. 

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I never supported ghostrider and I am not pro-censorship. But believe what you want.

 

You supported the rule that mods could delete posts and the posters couldn't publically critcise it (even worse that censorship)

 

I think that with all your complaints of me that "wall-flower" would be the last thing you would say.

 

By wall-flower, I mean mean your suck up.

 

you don't like me because I pointed out that your decisions to constantly break rules and attack people contributed to your problems. If you didn't do that, you would have a more convincing position from which to stand from. You won't listen when people point out your mistakes but you complain that the previous admin wouldn't listen when you did the exact same thing to them.

 

You're in some kind of fantasy world here. I don't break the rules anymore than any other poster here. You NEVER pointed that out (you must be thinking of someone else you thinkg you're wholier that thou over). Nobdy said a damn thing about me mkaing mistakes (I have hundreds of witnesses that nothing you are saying is even remotely true)

 

There is no justification for anyone in this mess. Everyone is at fault.

 

There was never a problem until GR and Creole made one (with your help).

 

Your solutions were a poor fix to an already stupid problem. A problem that will happen again and again and again because the admin learned nothing and the users learned nothing (except that if you yell loud enough and harass enough, then someone will fix something superficial to appease you). and I don't care to thank people for risking nothing for nothing.

 

Then why am I happy with the results and you're pretending there aren't any results? 

Message Edited by Someone on 11-07-2009 02:33 AM

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truthiness is a virtue wrote:

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Someone wrote: the admin learned nothing and the users learned nothing

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Your input is welcome but I have to say that these conclusions seem very ill informed. But I don't blame you for not having the information, just caution against making such conclusions without recognizing lack of adequate data. I can completely appreciate a member "calling 'em as they see 'em" so to speak, but it shouldn't be assumed that all you see is all there is.

Admin. and the users are moving forward together with new understanding and mutual appreciation.

I assure you that is the proven truth and that it would not be happening if nothing was learned.

Evidence shows morale and hopes should be high.

 

But if the "problem" you're referring to is rule adherance or lack thereof (in protest or otherwise)

a) those really are isolated issues regarding specific members not an accurate reflection of this community

b) the results that an admin. wants any rules to accomplish is not ever really in flux but generally speaking the rules themselves, what defines an infraction of them and the methods of enforcing them have to be to achieve said results. There's legitimate and pragmatic reasons for that to be especially true(thy) in this forum's case, now more than ever.

c) ftr I'd agree that rule violation on forums is not really an effective protest strategy

d) really not the matter of the OP here, we should keep this a dialogue about specific recommendations for moving forward that can be acted upon, other than "don't break rules"

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What has ocurred since the last election is a little like putting a tourniquet on when you have an arm cut off. It is a quick fix solution that will stop the bleeding. But just because the bleeding has stopped doesn't mean that everything is ok. And a tourniquet is not a long-term solution. It is a extension of time to get to a Dr and actually have the problem repaired. And ignoring that will make the problem return over and over until it is too big to fix. I acknowledge that there is a possibility that this situation can produce actual results. But that depends on people learning from their situation... which at this point hasn't happened. I am at heart a cynical idealist, both pessimistic and optimistic at the same time. The actual point of my statement is that the users kind of seemed to take away that rule violation is an effective way to get what you want, and the admin hasn't seemed to address that point at all. Nor besides the new mods, have they addressed any other obvious site issues. The massive problem underlying all that caused this is a serious lack of communication within admin and between the admin and the users. If you look at what has happened, that is still occurring. Users and admin don't communicate well and admin doesn't seem to communicate well with each other. It is like a family and the parents don't talk to each other and don't talk to the kids and the kids don't communicate other than to throw fits when they want something. How are the admin and the users going to address the issue with clear and constructive communication? Especially when neither side seems to want to admit that it is even an underlying issue?

otherwise

a) communication

b) communication

c) communication

and d) which is that my line of original thought was in replying pragmatic solutions to the OP, but it got derailed in an effort to point out that the responsibility of the issue lies with both sides and part of that is in communicating your desires in a constructive manner and the other part is that rules are useless if no one is willing to follow them and if people think that effective communication of problems with the rules involves "breaking as many of them as they can as often as they can"

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Allen wrote:

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Someone wrote:

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Allen wrote:

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Someone wrote:

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Mr Jaz wrote:

I didn't realize there was a point to defeat... What was the point?

 

*goes back to have fun on the boards*

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Being disciplined enough that you don't actually need someone to tell you how to act?

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Goatrider has been de-modded and your pro-censorship position on this won't soon be forgotten. Every time here you should thank the people that took the risk for for wall-flowers like you. 

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I never supported ghostrider and I am not pro-censorship. But believe what you want.

 

You supported the rule that mods could delete posts and the posters couldn't publically critcise it (even worse that censorship)

 actually if you read my posts I was a strong advocate of getting rid of the mod ability to delete or edit posts at all. I only advocated hiding posts that contain personal information or pr0n, or anything seriously illegal that could cause problems in leaving it up. I was also an advocate of constructive criticism of moderators as well as making moderator decisions more public and of holding them acountable for their actions. But memories are often fabricated. I can see how you selectively remember things that never occurred while also forgetting things that did occur because neither fit with your image of me as a horrible person.

I think that with all your complaints of me that "wall-flower" would be the last thing you would say.

 

By wall-flower, I mean mean your suck up.

 kind of don't care

you don't like me because I pointed out that your decisions to constantly break rules and attack people contributed to your problems. If you didn't do that, you would have a more convincing position from which to stand from. You won't listen when people point out your mistakes but you complain that the previous admin wouldn't listen when you did the exact same thing to them.

 

You're in some kind of fantasy world here. I don't break the rules anymore than any other poster here. You NEVER pointed that out (you must be thinking of someone else you thinkg you're wholier that thou over). Nobdy said a damn thing about me mkaing mistakes (I have hundreds of witnesses that nothing you are saying is even remotely true)

 hundreds? there are maybe 10 regular posters here.Otherwise you went on some kind of crusade to trash the previous admin as much as possible because in your fantasy world... that is somehow an effective strategy. As for actual rulebreaking, you kind of broke 2, 4, 7 and if I am not mistaken posted contact information for someone not related to the direct running of the Colbert Nation Board and encouraged people to contact her repeatedly until your wishes were answered. But we can excuse that all with the selective memory part.

There is no justification for anyone in this mess. Everyone is at fault.

 

There was never a problem until GR and Creole made one (with your help).

uh huuuuhhhhhh. I suppose we all need a scapegoat to blame our problems on. I mean, it can't be us, right? 

 

Your solutions were a poor fix to an already stupid problem. A problem that will happen again and again and again because the admin learned nothing and the users learned nothing (except that if you yell loud enough and harass enough, then someone will fix something superficial to appease you). and I don't care to thank people for risking nothing for nothing.

 

Then why am I happy with the results and you're pretending there aren't any results? 

 

because it is easy to superficially appease you? I wish there was some way to describe this phenomena ...

Message Edited by Someone on 11-07-2009 02:33 AM

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Someone wrote:

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truthiness is a virtue wrote:

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Someone wrote: the admin learned nothing and the users learned nothing

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Your input is welcome but I have to say that these conclusions seem very ill informed. But I don't blame you for not having the information, just caution against making such conclusions without recognizing lack of adequate data. I can completely appreciate a member "calling 'em as they see 'em" so to speak, but it shouldn't be assumed that all you see is all there is.

Admin. and the users are moving forward together with new understanding and mutual appreciation.

I assure you that is the proven truth and that it would not be happening if nothing was learned.

Evidence shows morale and hopes should be high.

 

But if the "problem" you're referring to is rule adherance or lack thereof (in protest or otherwise)

a) those really are isolated issues regarding specific members not an accurate reflection of this community

b) the results that an admin. wants any rules to accomplish is not ever really in flux but generally speaking the rules themselves, what defines an infraction of them and the methods of enforcing them have to be to achieve said results. There's legitimate and pragmatic reasons for that to be especially true(thy) in this forum's case, now more than ever.

c) ftr I'd agree that rule violation on forums is not really an effective protest strategy

d) really not the matter of the OP here, we should keep this a dialogue about specific recommendations for moving forward that can be acted upon, other than "don't break rules"

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What has ocurred since the last election is a little like putting a tourniquet on when you have an arm cut off. It is a quick fix solution that will stop the bleeding. But just because the bleeding has stopped doesn't mean that everything is ok. And a tourniquet is not a long-term solution. It is a extension of time to get to a Dr and actually have the problem repaired. And ignoring that will make the problem return over and over until it is too big to fix. I acknowledge that there is a possibility that this situation can produce actual results. But that depends on people learning from their situation... which at this point hasn't happened. I am at heart a cynical idealist, both pessimistic and optimistic at the same time. The actual point of my statement is that the users kind of seemed to take away that rule violation is an effective way to get what you want, and the admin hasn't seemed to address that point at all. Nor besides the new mods, have they addressed any other obvious site issues. The massive problem underlying all that caused this is a serious lack of communication within admin and between the admin and the users. If you look at what has happened, that is still occurring. Users and admin don't communicate well and admin doesn't seem to communicate well with each other. It is like a family and the parents don't talk to each other and don't talk to the kids and the kids don't communicate other than to throw fits when they want something. How are the admin and the users going to address the issue with clear and constructive communication? Especially when neither side seems to want to admit that it is even an underlying issue?

 

otherwise

a) communication

b) communication

c) communication

 

and d) which is that my line of original thought was in replying pragmatic solutions to the OP, but it got derailed in an effort to point out that the responsibility of the issue lies with both sides and part of that is in communicating your desires in a constructive manner and the other part is that rules are useless if no one is willing to follow them and if people think that effective communication of problems with the rules involves "breaking as many of them as they can as often as they can"

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All poppy-cock. The rules were rarely even discussed prior to the addition of the NEW rule about not complaining publically about moderator censorship which caused the up-roar. The masses didn't like that rule and the masses got rid of it.

If you are so fond of censorship, you should move to a place where they condone and enforce it, like China. Although there are some colleges kids always causing a stir about it there too. I don't think you're ever going to escape people complaining about censorship. You may just have to live without it. 

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Allen wrote:

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Someone wrote:

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truthiness is a virtue wrote:

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Someone wrote: the admin learned nothing and the users learned nothing

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Your input is welcome but I have to say that these conclusions seem very ill informed. But I don't blame you for not having the information, just caution against making such conclusions without recognizing lack of adequate data. I can completely appreciate a member "calling 'em as they see 'em" so to speak, but it shouldn't be assumed that all you see is all there is.

Admin. and the users are moving forward together with new understanding and mutual appreciation.

I assure you that is the proven truth and that it would not be happening if nothing was learned.

Evidence shows morale and hopes should be high.

 

But if the "problem" you're referring to is rule adherance or lack thereof (in protest or otherwise)

a) those really are isolated issues regarding specific members not an accurate reflection of this community

b) the results that an admin. wants any rules to accomplish is not ever really in flux but generally speaking the rules themselves, what defines an infraction of them and the methods of enforcing them have to be to achieve said results. There's legitimate and pragmatic reasons for that to be especially true(thy) in this forum's case, now more than ever.

c) ftr I'd agree that rule violation on forums is not really an effective protest strategy

d) really not the matter of the OP here, we should keep this a dialogue about specific recommendations for moving forward that can be acted upon, other than "don't break rules"

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What has ocurred since the last election is a little like putting a tourniquet on when you have an arm cut off. It is a quick fix solution that will stop the bleeding. But just because the bleeding has stopped doesn't mean that everything is ok. And a tourniquet is not a long-term solution. It is a extension of time to get to a Dr and actually have the problem repaired. And ignoring that will make the problem return over and over until it is too big to fix. I acknowledge that there is a possibility that this situation can produce actual results. But that depends on people learning from their situation... which at this point hasn't happened. I am at heart a cynical idealist, both pessimistic and optimistic at the same time. The actual point of my statement is that the users kind of seemed to take away that rule violation is an effective way to get what you want, and the admin hasn't seemed to address that point at all. Nor besides the new mods, have they addressed any other obvious site issues. The massive problem underlying all that caused this is a serious lack of communication within admin and between the admin and the users. If you look at what has happened, that is still occurring. Users and admin don't communicate well and admin doesn't seem to communicate well with each other. It is like a family and the parents don't talk to each other and don't talk to the kids and the kids don't communicate other than to throw fits when they want something. How are the admin and the users going to address the issue with clear and constructive communication? Especially when neither side seems to want to admit that it is even an underlying issue?

 

otherwise

a) communication

b) communication

c) communication

 

and d) which is that my line of original thought was in replying pragmatic solutions to the OP, but it got derailed in an effort to point out that the responsibility of the issue lies with both sides and part of that is in communicating your desires in a constructive manner and the other part is that rules are useless if no one is willing to follow them and if people think that effective communication of problems with the rules involves "breaking as many of them as they can as often as they can"

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All poppy-cock. The rules were rarely even discussed prior to the addition of the NEW rule about not complaining publically about moderator censorship which caused the up-roar. The masses didn't like that rule and the masses got rid of it.

 

If you are so fond of censorship, you should move to a place where they condone and enforce it, like China. Although there are some colleges kids always causing a stir about it there too. I don't think you're ever going to escape people complaining about censorship. You may just have to live without it. 

 

 

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the lack of communication caused the problem. The election and the events following it were merely the catalyst.

and I realize that I can't escape people complaining about censorship, but more because people will complain regardless of what it is about.